Other Business: (01)
* will capture earlier discussion back into the email archive
(sanitize the part on Boeing) (02)
* we'll use AIM for multi-way chats (eases working in virtual sessions
with KenH), Peter can capture the sessions and put them back into the
CWE. (03)
* next meeting: will stay on email, until further notice. (04)
-ppy
-- (05)
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:11:37 -0800, Peter Yim <peter.yim@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's the text file (sorry for the formattting on the last msg.) -ppy
> --
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:09:05 -0800, Peter Yim <peter.yim@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Guys,
> >
> > Here's a recap of our meeting:
> >
> > //
> > PhilG-JonC-PPY_20050216a.txt
> >
> > * met at LeBoulanger 2005.02.16 started 07:00am
> > ** PhilGust, JonathanCheyer & PeterYim
> >
> > * 1. What it would mean, in the context of this pilot project, to say
> >
> > we've successfully "preserved" NLS/Augment.
> >
> > ** Task 1 -- Make publicly availabe a cloned version of AUGMENT
> > -- to get the licensing issues out of the way, and get a workable version
> >
> > of AUGMENT up on a publicly accessible space (like sourceforge) so that
> >
> > it can be viewed, installed, played around with and studied by anyone.
> >
> > ** Task 2 -- restore a version of working AUGMENT on a platform that
> >
> > emulates its original native platform -- to be able to install AUGMENT
> >
> > image into a clean TOPS20/PDP-10 emulated platform
> >
> > ** Task 3 -- release a version of AUGMENT that is built from its own
> >
> > source that can run on a platform that emulates its original native
> >
> > platform
> >
> > ** Task 4 -- get a complete inventory of all the design, operations and
> >
> > training documentation, ... etc.; put them online, and made accessible
> >
> > through hyperlinking by anyone.
> >
> > ** as a non-goal in this project - we should not include in the scope
> >
> > anything newe, we should stayed focussed on preservation
> >
> > * 2. What steps should we take and in what order to accomplish
> > this between now and, say August, how to partition tasks, and
> > in more detail what should be our initial set of milestones.
> >
> > ** For Task 1:
> >
> > *** Boeing IPR release - public domain - [action: JohnToole]
> > *** contact Raylene and bring her into the team - [action: Phil]
> > *** get Doug's permission to allow Raylene and KenH to capture his
> >
> > AUGMENT image and expunge personal files - [action: Phil]
> > *** Have KenH & Raylene go to Doug's office and grab a complete image of
> >
> > Doug's working system in a single session. Raylene will be the only
> >
> > person to hold onto the image, until all personal files have been purged.
> > *** KenH will restore image on a linux box and verify that no personal
> >
> > files or deleted block are accessible (we'll call this a "clean clone")
> > *** document the above ....
> > *** the rest of "Task-1" to follow
> >
> > * 3. What resources do we need from the CHM to accomplish this.
> >
> > ** a couple of linux workstations (at least one) and a couple of
> >
> > harddisks
> > ** setup a collaborative work space - Peter & Jonathan volunteered to
> >
> > setup a collaborative work environment under <chm.cim3.net> [action: Phil
> >
> > to get CHM to endorse this.]
> > ** people as listed in requirements on this recap
> > ** find out if John Toole needs anything from us (Phil, Jon & Peter)
> >
> > before talking to Boeing. Suggest forwarding John the thread where we
> >
> > discussed IPR issues. [action: Phil to find out; we could have a
> >
> > meeting/conf-call on this too, if necessary]
> > ** also, consider getting HP to release the TOPS20 source and associated
> >
> > IPR into the public domain; maybe even do this step before approaching
> >
> > Boeing [action: Phil to talk to JohnT on this.]
> >
> > * 4. Who should be part of the "active" group, and who we need to
> > have as part of the "advisory" group (including ex-Augment members
> > who don't want to actively participate by have critical knowledge, or
> > people like Jake Feinler from CHM or Henry Lowood from Stanford).
> >
> > ** Active: PhilGust, JonathanCheyer, PeterYim,
> > *** try to recruit: KenHarrenstein, RaylenePak, ShinyaYamada,
> >
> > ** Advisory: JohnToole, DougEngelbart, JakeFeinler, HenryLowood,
> >
> > BillDuvall;
> > *** try to recruit: ChristinaEngelbart, JeffRulifson, BillEnglish,
> >
> > CharlesIrby
> >
> > ** we'll send out invitations to all potential advisors (and let them opt
> >
> > out, if they don't want to get involved, they way, we won't offend
> >
> > anyone.)
> >
> > * 5. We need to consider Doug's role, since his participation is
> > critical, yet his participation may fall somewhere between "active"
> > and "advisory". He should feel as included as he wants and is
> > able to Let's discuss how to create that space for him.
> >
> > ** suggest having Doug as the "Distinguished Advisor" to this project,
> >
> > and let him decide how active he wants to be. He will have complete
> >
> > access to everything we do.
> >
> > ** we could do periodic meetings at his home, besides the museum
> >
> > * 6. What tools will we use to collaborate and capture our work.
> >
> > ** candidate <chm.cim3.net> -- a "community only" cwe as discussed above.
> >
> > Access provided to all members of the team, advisors, and all CHM
> >
> > personnel. [action: Phil will confirm to Peter & Jon later today]
> >
> > --
> > meeting adjourned 9:05am
> > notes by ppy/2005.02.16
> > //
> >
> > Cheers. -ppy
> > --
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:22:30 -0800, Philip Gust <gust@nouveausystems.com>
>wrote:
> > > Well, then how about at the same place we met a couple of
> > > weeks ago, around 7am. Will that work for both of you?
> > >
> > > I'd like to propose that we try to get through the following things:
> > >
> > > 1. What it would mean, in the context of this pilot project, to
> > > say we've successfully "preserved" NLS/Augment.
> > >
> > > 2. What steps should we take and in what order to accomplish
> > > this between now and, say August, how to partition tasks, and
> > > in more detail what should be our initial set of milestones.
> > >
> > > 3. What resources do we need from the CHM to accomplish this.
> > >
> > > 4. Who should be part of the "active" group, and who we need to
> > > have as part of the "advisory" group (including ex-Augment members
> > > who don't want to actively participate by have critical knowledge, or
> > > people like Jake Feinler from CHM or Henry Lowood from Stanford).
> > >
> > > 5. We need to consider Doug's role, since his participation is
> > > critical, yet his participation may fall somewhere between "active"
> > > and "advisory". He should feel as included as he wants and is
> > > able to Let's discuss how to create that space for him.
> > >
> > > 6. What tools will we use to collaborate and capture our work.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to add or suggest changes to this list. Let me
> > > know if this works for everyone.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:21 PM 2/11/2005, Peter Yim wrote:
> > > >Phil & Jonathan,
> > > >
> > > >Wednesday 2/16/05 early morning is fine with me. Mountain View is fine
>too.
> > > >
> > > >Phil, since you call the meeting, you decide where and when.
> > > >
> > > >Regards. -ppy
> > > >--
> > > >
> > > >Philip Gust wrote Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:40:17 -0800:
> > > >>Jonathan,
> > > >>Wednesday early morning would be good for me. Peter, I'd prefer an
>initial
> > > >>face-to-face meeting as well. Kind of strange for a hard-core
>collaboration
> > > >>guy, I know, but there it is... If that's not possible by Wednesday,
> > > >>better to
> > > >>get a start on it using phone and other tools.
> > > >>If we can have an initial face-to-face meeting, which city is most
>convenient
> > > >>for everyone? Bucks over in is possible, but there's also the place we
> > > >>met in
> > > >>Mt. View before. We could even meet at my office (just down the street
>on
> > > >>Evelyn just past the 85 overpass) and I bring in breakfast.
> > > >>Let me know what you're all able to do.
> > > >>BTW, you can see in another email that I'm talking with Ken about
>getting
> > > >>a copy of the emulator up and running. Not sure if he needs to be at
>this
> > > >>initial planning meeting, but definitely want to keep him in the loop on
> > > >>future
> > > >>ones. Peter, since you have the best rapport with Doug, it would
>probably
> > > >>be best for him if you were to lead the discussion with him about how to
> > > >>"sanitize" a cloned copy of NLS/Augment, if that's something you're
>willing
> > > >>to take on. Let me know on this.
> > > >
> > > >>At 06:43 PM 2/10/2005, Jonathan Cheyer wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Hi Phil,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Since it sounds like Monday is out for Peter, and Tuesday morning is
>out
> > > >>>for you, then either Tuesday evening (6 pm or later) or Wednesday
> > > >>>morning (before 9 am) would be a good time.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I always prefer to meet with people in person whenever possible, since
>I
> > > >>>spend enough time on the computer already :-). However, given Peter's
> > > >>>preference and especially if Ken can be convinced to join the working
> > > >>>group, it definitely makes sense to do much of the work virtually to
> > > >>>allow everyone the best opportunity to participate. Ken's email is
> > > >>>klh@panix.com.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I also got a chance to speak with Raylene at Doug's party, and agree
> > > >>>with you that she would be a valuable person to include as well.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Jonathan
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Philip Gust wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Well, any time Tuesday or early Wednesday would work for me.
> > > >>>>I think that Jonathan needs to have the appointment be pre-work
> > > >>>>hours.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Philip Gust
> > > >>>Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>phone: +1 650 961-7992
> > > >>>fax: +1 508 526-8142
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Philip Gust
> > > >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> > > >
> > > >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> > > >fax: +1 508 526-8142
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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