Vint, (01)
Thanks for checking back. Nothing from them yet. However, I just
saw the note you sent to Paul Eskildsen and Bob Peterson Hopefully
that will get some kind of response in the next week. If they're
open to the idea, they'll probably ask for sample wording
next. Richard Abramson, SRI's VP for Legal and Business Affairs,
just agreed to provide a release for copyrights owned by SRI, and I'm
drafting a statement for him to review. We're almost there. (02)
At 05:45 AM 4/20/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
>Phil,
>
>Did you get anything back yet from Verizon?
>
>V
>
>
>
>Vinton G Cerf
>Chief Internet Evangelist
>Google
>Regus Suite 384
>13800 Coppermine Road
>Herndon, VA 20171
>
>+1 703 234-1823
>+1 703-234-5822 (f)
>
>vint@google.com
>www.google.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vint Cerf [mailto:vint@google.com]
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:58 PM
>To: gust@NouveauSystems.com; Vint Cerf
>Cc: klh@panix.com; nls-legal@chm.cim3.net
>Subject: Re: Progress at NCI/Verizon?
>
>I emailed the cto to see if he could help. Stand by.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
>To: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>; Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>CC: klh@panix.com <klh@panix.com>; nls-legal@chm.cim3.net
><nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
>Sent: Fri Apr 07 16:55:15 2006
>Subject: Re: Progress at NCI/Verizon?
>
>Vint,
>
>I'd be happy to contact them directly and discuss this with them in more
>detail, if you could make a referral and introduction. I feel bad about
>taking so much of your time on this, and want to do whatever I can to
>mitigate the impact. All of us appreciate your interest and participation.
>
>Best regards,
>
>At 04:09 PM 4/7/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
> >Their legal dept claims they don't have any rights. I don't know if
> >they would put that in writing. V
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
> >To: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
> >CC: Ken Harrenstien <klh@panix.com>; nls-legal@chm.cim3.net
> ><nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>; gust@acm.org <gust@acm.org>
> >Sent: Fri Apr 07 16:06:28 2006
> >Subject: Progress at NCI/Verizon?
> >
> >Vint,
> >
> >When you have a chance, could you ping the MCI/Verizon team to see if
> >they would be willing to work with us on this?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:03:19 -0800
> > >To: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>,
> > >"'Philip Gust'" <gust@acm.org>
> > >From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [nls-legal] [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re:
> > >vint cerf]
> > >Cc: "'Ken Harrenstien'" <klh@panix.com>, "'NLS Restoration Legal
> > >Discussion'" <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
> > >
> > >Vint,
> > >
> > >I'm just checking back to see if we can get an early indication about
> > >whether MCI/Verizon would be willing to provide a similar kind of
> > >letter to the ones from Boeing and BT.
> > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >
> > >At 11:41 AM 3/17/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
> > >>That is really good news
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Vinton G Cerf
> > >>Chief Internet Evangelist
> > >>Google/Regus
> > >>Suite 384
> > >>13800 Coppermine Road
> > >>Herndon, VA 20171
> > >>
> > >>+1 703 234-1823
> > >>+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> > >>
> > >>vint@google.com
> > >>www.google.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@NouveauSystems.com]
> > >>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:09 PM
> > >>To: Vint Cerf; 'Philip Gust'
> > >>Cc: 'Ken Harrenstien'; 'NLS Restoration Legal Discussion'
> > >>Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
> > >>
> > >>Vint,
> > >>
> > >>Thanks again for your help. We just had some great news: Scott
> > >>Griffin, Boeing's CIO just had their VP for Intellectual Property
> > >>issue a letter along the lines we were looking for. We have also
> > >>asked Kurt Carlson at SRI for something similar and expect to get
> > >>that fairly soon,
> > too. Once we have
> > >>all of these in place, we'll be in a good legal position to justify
> > >>releasing NLS/Augment, hopefully in the time frame of SRI's 60th
> > anniversary
> > >>in October. After working for over a year on legal issues, you can
> > >>imagine how great it feels to have things start coming together.
> > >>
> > >>Best regards,
> > >>
> > >>At 10:19 AM 3/16/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
> > >> >Thanks for this rendition. Shared with MCI
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Vinton G Cerf
> > >> >Chief Internet Evangelist
> > >> >Google/Regus
> > >> >Suite 384
> > >> >13800 Coppermine Road
> > >> >Herndon, VA 20171
> > >> >
> > >> >+1 703 234-1823
> > >> >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> > >> >
> > >> >vint@google.com
> > >> >www.google.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@acm.org]
> > >> >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:58 AM
> > >> >To: Vint Cerf
> > >> >Cc: Ken Harrenstien; NLS Restoration Legal Discussion
> > >> >Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint
> > >> >cerf]
> > >> >
> > >> >Vint,
> > >> >
> > >> >Here's some background information. We've definitely traced the
> > >> >ownership of NLS/Augment from SRI through Tymshare/Tymnet to
> > >> >McDonnell Douglas. We have evidence that ownership transferred to
> > >> >British
> > >> >Telecommunications: two trademarks for Augment (73256814, and
> > >> >73647182) transferred to BT on 11/20/1989, prior to Boeing's
> > >> >acquisition of McDonnell Douglas. We also have evidence that BT
> > >> >transferred ownersihp to
> > >> >MCI: one of the trademarks (73256814) transferred from BT to MCI
> > >> >on 7/25/1995.
> > >> >
> > >> >Based on this, BT issued the following statement:
> > >> >
> > >> >"BT believes that any intellectual property rights it held in the
> > >> >NLS / Augment technology passed with other assets to MCI in the 1990s.
> > >> >However, with respect to any such IPR's retained by BT then so far
> > >> >as BT is concerned, it has no issue with the Computer History
> > >> >Museum using the NLS / Augment copyrights in a not-for-profit
> > >> >capacity for the benefit of the general public. BT however makes
> > >> >no representation or warranty as to its actually retaining any
> > >> >such IPRs; the Computer History Museum's reliance on this letter;
> > >> >or the Computer
> > History Museum's
> > >>use of NLS / Augment."
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Here is the statement we're discussing with Boeing:
> > >> >
> > >> >"Boeing believes that ownership of of NLS/Augment passed with
> > >> >other assets formerly from McDonnell Douglas to British
> > >> >Telecommunications PLC in late 1989, prior to Boeing's acquisition of
>McDonnell Douglas.
> > >> >As far as Boeing is concerned, we have no issue with the Computer
> > >> >History Museum using such NLS/Augment copyrights in a
> > >> >not-for-profit capacity for the benefit of the general public.
> > >> >Boeing makes no representation or warranty as to such use."
> > >> >
> > >> >Hopefully the MCI legal group will be able to provide a similar
> > >> >kind of statement based on the evidence we've accumulated and the
> > >> >action BT and expected action by Boeing. If you need any further
> > >> >information, please let me know.
> > >> >
> > >> >Best regards,
> > >> >
> > >> >At 06:59 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
> > >> > >I am working with the head of engineering/operations, Fred
> > >> > >Briggs, at Verizon to try to get their legal department to sign
> > >> > >off on your use of this software. I honestly doubt that MCI ever
> > >> > >had rights to the software in which case the lawyers may balk at
> > >> > >appearing to grant rights they never had - but they might be
> > >> > >willing to say they have no
> > >> >objections.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Vint
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Vinton G Cerf
> > >> > >Chief Internet Evangelist
> > >> > >Google/Regus
> > >> > >Suite 384
> > >> > >13800 Coppermine Road
> > >> > >Herndon, VA 20171
> > >> > >
> > >> > >+1 703 234-1823
> > >> > >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >vint@google.com
> > >> > >www.google.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >> > >From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@acm.org]
> > >> > >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:09 AM
> > >> > >To: Vint Cerf; 'Ken Harrenstien'
> > >> > >Cc: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion
> > >> > >Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint
> > >> > >cerf]
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Vint,
> > >> > >
> > >> > >We have the software from Doug Engelbart. We'd like to make all
> > >> > >of the copyrighted Augment/NLS material available through CHM
> > >> > >for non-commercial use.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >We already have a letter in hand from BT. It says, that they
> > >> > >have no record of holding any intellectual property including
> > >> > >copyright, but that they have no objection for their part to CHM
> > >> > >releasing any copyrighted NLS/Augment material for
> > >> > >non-commercial use. We're also working with Scott Griffin,
> > >> > >Boeing's CIO to get a similar letter. If we have letters from
> > >> > >all parties along the chain of ownership, the CHM legal
> > >> > >committee will be comfortable assuming the risk of authorizing
> > >> > >the
> > >> >release.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Thanks for your help with this, Vint.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >At 03:57 AM 3/16/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
> > >> > > >Phil,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >I asked Verizon to look into this and they claim (and MCI
> > >> > > >also) that they show no record of holding any intellectual
> > property rights in
> > >>NLS.
> > >> > > >Do you actually have access to the software and just want
> > >> > > >assurances that you can use it or are you trying to get the
> > >> > > >software in addition to permission to use it?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Vinton G Cerf
> > >> > > >Chief Internet Evangelist
> > >> > > >Google/Regus
> > >> > > >Suite 384
> > >> > > >13800 Coppermine Road
> > >> > > >Herndon, VA 20171
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >+1 703 234-1823
> > >> > > >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >vint@google.com
> > >> > > >www.google.com
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > >> > > >From: Ken Harrenstien [mailto:klh@panix.com]
> > >> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:06 AM
> > >> > > >To: vint@google.com
> > >> > > >Cc: gust@NouveauSystems.com; klh@panix.com
> > >> > > >Subject: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint
> > >> > > >cerf]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >No need for me to be in the middle except as a very interested
> > >>onlooker.
> > >> > > >Have at it.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >--Ken
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:50:44 -0800
> > >> > > >To: Ken Harrenstien <klh@panix.com>
> > >> > > >From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
> > >> > > >Subject: Re: vint cerf
> > >> > > >Cc: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Ken,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >I was hoping to make contact with Vint to discuss specific
> > >> > > >steps that he might do to help us navigate the waters at
>MCI/Verizon.
> > >> > > >Could you ask him whether he'd be open to my contacting him
> > >> > > >directly on this, and the best way to reach him?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >At 12:48 AM 1/26/2006, Ken Harrenstien wrote:
> > >> > > > >You each just pinged me about this. Trying both barrels, huh?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Phil Gust and I have been trying to find a contact in the
> > >> > > > > > legal department of MCI so that we can continue trying to
> > >> > > > > > obtain approval to use and/or transfer of rights for the
> > >> > > > > > CHM for the
> > >> > >software.
> > >> > > > > > However, we have not been able to get any contacts as yet.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Would you be willing to approach Vint and see if he could
> > >> > > > > > help out the CHM in this endeavor?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >Certainly -- we chatted just a couple weeks ago. I'll
> > >> > > > >forward your notes, and add a little context. He's pretty
> > >> > > > >busy as you can imagine but I'm sure he will do what he can.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >--Ken
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Philip Gust
> > >> > > >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> > >> > > >3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120 Santa Clara, CA 95054
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> > >> > > >fax: +1 520 843-7217
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Philip Gust
> > >> > >(650) 961-7992 (daytime)
> > >> > >(650) 367-7763 (evening)
> > >> > >gust@acm.org
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Philip Gust
> > >> >(650) 961-7992 (daytime)
> > >> >(650) 367-7763 (evening)
> > >> >gust@acm.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Philip Gust
> > >>Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> > >>3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
> > >>Santa Clara, CA 95054
> > >>
> > >>phone: +1 650 961-7992
> > >>fax: +1 520 843-7217
> > >>
> > >>mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> > >>
> > >>Nouveau Systems collaboration-enabled infrastructure and
> > >>applications provide integrated information management, process
> > >>automation and knowledge capture. To learn how Nouveau Systems
> > >>products can help your knowledge-based organization drive innovation,
>visit:
> > >>http://www.NouveauSystems.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_________________________________________________________________
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> > >>Community Portal: http://www.computerhistory.org/ To Post:
> > >>mailto:nls-legal@chm.cim3.net Community Wiki:
> > >>http://chm.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NLS_Restoration
> > >
> > >
> > >Philip Gust
> > >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> > >3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
> > >Santa Clara, CA 95054
> > >
> > >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> > >fax: +1 520 843-7217
> > >
> > >mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> > >
> > >Nouveau Systems products seamlessly integrate collaboration,
> > >information management, processes automation, and capture of
> > >mission-critical knowledge. To learn how Nouveau Systems products
> > >can help your organization drive innovation, visit:
> > >http://www.NouveauSystems.com
> >
> >
> >Philip Gust
> >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> >3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
> >Santa Clara, CA 95054
> >
> >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> >fax: +1 520 843-7217
> >
> >mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> >
> >Nouveau Systems products seamlessly integrate collaboration,
> >information management, processes automation, and capture of
> >mission-critical knowledge. To learn how Nouveau Systems products can
> >help your organization drive innovation, visit:
> >http://www.NouveauSystems.com
>
>
>Philip Gust
>Nouveau Systems, Inc.
>3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
>Santa Clara, CA 95054
>
>phone: +1 650 961-7992
>fax: +1 520 843-7217
>
>mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
>
>Nouveau Systems products seamlessly integrate collaboration, information
>management, processes automation, and capture of mission-critical knowledge.
>To learn how Nouveau Systems products can help your organization drive
>innovation, visit:
>http://www.NouveauSystems.com
>
>
>
>
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Nouveau Systems, Inc.
3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
Santa Clara, CA 95054 (04)
phone: +1 650 961-7992
fax: +1 520 843-7217 (05)
mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com (06)
Nouveau Systems products seamlessly integrate collaboration,
information management, processes automation, and capture of
mission-critical knowledge. To learn how Nouveau Systems products
can help your organization drive innovation, visit:
http://www.NouveauSystems.com (07)
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