I emailed the cto to see if he could help. Stand by. (01)
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
To: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>; Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
CC: klh@panix.com <klh@panix.com>; nls-legal@chm.cim3.net
<nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
Sent: Fri Apr 07 16:55:15 2006
Subject: Re: Progress at NCI/Verizon? (02)
Vint, (03)
I'd be happy to contact them directly and discuss this with them in
more detail, if you could make a referral and introduction. I feel
bad about taking so much of your time on this, and want to do
whatever I can to mitigate the impact. All of us appreciate your
interest and participation. (04)
Best regards, (05)
At 04:09 PM 4/7/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
>Their legal dept claims they don't have any rights. I don't know if
>they would put that in writing. V
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
>To: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>CC: Ken Harrenstien <klh@panix.com>; nls-legal@chm.cim3.net
><nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>; gust@acm.org <gust@acm.org>
>Sent: Fri Apr 07 16:06:28 2006
>Subject: Progress at NCI/Verizon?
>
>Vint,
>
>When you have a chance, could you ping the MCI/Verizon team to see if
>they would be willing to work with us on this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
> >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:03:19 -0800
> >To: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>,
> >"'Philip Gust'" <gust@acm.org>
> >From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
> >Subject: Re: [nls-legal] [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re:
> >vint cerf]
> >Cc: "'Ken Harrenstien'" <klh@panix.com>, "'NLS Restoration Legal
> >Discussion'" <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
> >
> >Vint,
> >
> >I'm just checking back to see if we can get an early indication
> >about whether MCI/Verizon would be willing to provide a similar kind
> >of letter to the ones from Boeing and BT.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >At 11:41 AM 3/17/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
> >>That is really good news
> >>
> >>
> >>Vinton G Cerf
> >>Chief Internet Evangelist
> >>Google/Regus
> >>Suite 384
> >>13800 Coppermine Road
> >>Herndon, VA 20171
> >>
> >>+1 703 234-1823
> >>+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> >>
> >>vint@google.com
> >>www.google.com
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@NouveauSystems.com]
> >>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:09 PM
> >>To: Vint Cerf; 'Philip Gust'
> >>Cc: 'Ken Harrenstien'; 'NLS Restoration Legal Discussion'
> >>Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
> >>
> >>Vint,
> >>
> >>Thanks again for your help. We just had some great news: Scott Griffin,
> >>Boeing's CIO just had their VP for Intellectual Property issue a letter
> >>along the lines we were looking for. We have also asked Kurt Carlson at SRI
> >>for something similar and expect to get that fairly soon,
> too. Once we have
> >>all of these in place, we'll be in a good legal position to justify
> >>releasing NLS/Augment, hopefully in the time frame of SRI's 60th
> anniversary
> >>in October. After working for over a year on legal issues, you can imagine
> >>how great it feels to have things start coming together.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>
> >>At 10:19 AM 3/16/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
> >> >Thanks for this rendition. Shared with MCI
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Vinton G Cerf
> >> >Chief Internet Evangelist
> >> >Google/Regus
> >> >Suite 384
> >> >13800 Coppermine Road
> >> >Herndon, VA 20171
> >> >
> >> >+1 703 234-1823
> >> >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> >> >
> >> >vint@google.com
> >> >www.google.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@acm.org]
> >> >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:58 AM
> >> >To: Vint Cerf
> >> >Cc: Ken Harrenstien; NLS Restoration Legal Discussion
> >> >Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
> >> >
> >> >Vint,
> >> >
> >> >Here's some background information. We've definitely traced the
> >> >ownership of NLS/Augment from SRI through Tymshare/Tymnet to McDonnell
> >> >Douglas. We have evidence that ownership transferred to British
> >> >Telecommunications: two trademarks for Augment (73256814, and
> >> >73647182) transferred to BT on 11/20/1989, prior to Boeing's
> >> >acquisition of McDonnell Douglas. We also have evidence that BT
> >> >transferred ownersihp to
> >> >MCI: one of the trademarks (73256814) transferred from BT to MCI on
> >> >7/25/1995.
> >> >
> >> >Based on this, BT issued the following statement:
> >> >
> >> >"BT believes that any intellectual property rights it held in the NLS /
> >> >Augment technology passed with other assets to MCI in the 1990s.
> >> >However, with respect to any such IPR's retained by BT then so far as
> >> >BT is concerned, it has no issue with the Computer History Museum using
> >> >the NLS / Augment copyrights in a not-for-profit capacity for the
> >> >benefit of the general public. BT however makes no representation or
> >> >warranty as to its actually retaining any such IPRs; the Computer
> >> >History Museum's reliance on this letter; or the Computer
> History Museum's
> >>use of NLS / Augment."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Here is the statement we're discussing with Boeing:
> >> >
> >> >"Boeing believes that ownership of of NLS/Augment passed with other
> >> >assets formerly from McDonnell Douglas to British Telecommunications
> >> >PLC in late 1989, prior to Boeing's acquisition of McDonnell Douglas.
> >> >As far as Boeing is concerned, we have no issue with the Computer
> >> >History Museum using such NLS/Augment copyrights in a not-for-profit
> >> >capacity for the benefit of the general public. Boeing makes no
> >> >representation or warranty as to such use."
> >> >
> >> >Hopefully the MCI legal group will be able to provide a similar kind of
> >> >statement based on the evidence we've accumulated and the action BT and
> >> >expected action by Boeing. If you need any further information, please
> >> >let me know.
> >> >
> >> >Best regards,
> >> >
> >> >At 06:59 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
> >> > >I am working with the head of engineering/operations, Fred Briggs, at
> >> > >Verizon to try to get their legal department to sign off on your use
> >> > >of this software. I honestly doubt that MCI ever had rights to the
> >> > >software in which case the lawyers may balk at appearing to grant
> >> > >rights they never had - but they might be willing to say they have no
> >> >objections.
> >> > >
> >> > >Vint
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Vinton G Cerf
> >> > >Chief Internet Evangelist
> >> > >Google/Regus
> >> > >Suite 384
> >> > >13800 Coppermine Road
> >> > >Herndon, VA 20171
> >> > >
> >> > >+1 703 234-1823
> >> > >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> >> > >
> >> > >vint@google.com
> >> > >www.google.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@acm.org]
> >> > >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:09 AM
> >> > >To: Vint Cerf; 'Ken Harrenstien'
> >> > >Cc: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion
> >> > >Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
> >> > >
> >> > >Vint,
> >> > >
> >> > >We have the software from Doug Engelbart. We'd like to make all of
> >> > >the copyrighted Augment/NLS material available through CHM for
> >> > >non-commercial use.
> >> > >
> >> > >We already have a letter in hand from BT. It says, that they have no
> >> > >record of holding any intellectual property including copyright, but
> >> > >that they have no objection for their part to CHM releasing any
> >> > >copyrighted NLS/Augment material for non-commercial use. We're also
> >> > >working with Scott Griffin, Boeing's CIO to get a similar letter. If
> >> > >we have letters from all parties along the chain of ownership, the
> >> > >CHM legal committee will be comfortable assuming the risk of
> >> > >authorizing the
> >> >release.
> >> > >
> >> > >Thanks for your help with this, Vint.
> >> > >
> >> > >At 03:57 AM 3/16/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
> >> > > >Phil,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I asked Verizon to look into this and they claim (and MCI also)
> >> > > >that they show no record of holding any intellectual
> property rights in
> >>NLS.
> >> > > >Do you actually have access to the software and just want
> >> > > >assurances that you can use it or are you trying to get the
> >> > > >software in addition to permission to use it?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Vinton G Cerf
> >> > > >Chief Internet Evangelist
> >> > > >Google/Regus
> >> > > >Suite 384
> >> > > >13800 Coppermine Road
> >> > > >Herndon, VA 20171
> >> > > >
> >> > > >+1 703 234-1823
> >> > > >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
> >> > > >
> >> > > >vint@google.com
> >> > > >www.google.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >From: Ken Harrenstien [mailto:klh@panix.com]
> >> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:06 AM
> >> > > >To: vint@google.com
> >> > > >Cc: gust@NouveauSystems.com; klh@panix.com
> >> > > >Subject: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
> >> > > >
> >> > > >No need for me to be in the middle except as a very interested
> >>onlooker.
> >> > > >Have at it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >--Ken
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:50:44 -0800
> >> > > >To: Ken Harrenstien <klh@panix.com>
> >> > > >From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
> >> > > >Subject: Re: vint cerf
> >> > > >Cc: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Ken,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I was hoping to make contact with Vint to discuss specific steps
> >> > > >that he might do to help us navigate the waters at MCI/Verizon.
> >> > > >Could you ask him whether he'd be open to my contacting him
> >> > > >directly on this, and the best way to reach him?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >At 12:48 AM 1/26/2006, Ken Harrenstien wrote:
> >> > > > >You each just pinged me about this. Trying both barrels, huh?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Phil Gust and I have been trying to find a contact in the
> >> > > > > > legal department of MCI so that we can continue trying to
> >> > > > > > obtain approval to use and/or transfer of rights for the CHM
> >> > > > > > for the
> >> > >software.
> >> > > > > > However, we have not been able to get any contacts as yet.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Would you be willing to approach Vint and see if he could help
> >> > > > > > out the CHM in this endeavor?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Certainly -- we chatted just a couple weeks ago. I'll forward
> >> > > > >your notes, and add a little context. He's pretty busy as you
> >> > > > >can imagine but I'm sure he will do what he can.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >--Ken
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Philip Gust
> >> > > >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> >> > > >3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
> >> > > >Santa Clara, CA 95054
> >> > > >
> >> > > >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> >> > > >fax: +1 520 843-7217
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Philip Gust
> >> > >(650) 961-7992 (daytime)
> >> > >(650) 367-7763 (evening)
> >> > >gust@acm.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Philip Gust
> >> >(650) 961-7992 (daytime)
> >> >(650) 367-7763 (evening)
> >> >gust@acm.org
> >>
> >>
> >>Philip Gust
> >>Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> >>3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
> >>Santa Clara, CA 95054
> >>
> >>phone: +1 650 961-7992
> >>fax: +1 520 843-7217
> >>
> >>mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> >>
> >>Nouveau Systems collaboration-enabled infrastructure and applications
> >>provide integrated information management, process automation and knowledge
> >>capture. To learn how Nouveau Systems products can help your
> >>knowledge-based organization drive innovation, visit:
> >>http://www.NouveauSystems.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >Philip Gust
> >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> >3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
> >Santa Clara, CA 95054
> >
> >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> >fax: +1 520 843-7217
> >
> >mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> >
> >Nouveau Systems products seamlessly integrate collaboration,
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>
>Philip Gust
>Nouveau Systems, Inc.
>3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
>Santa Clara, CA 95054
>
>phone: +1 650 961-7992
>fax: +1 520 843-7217
>
>mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
>
>Nouveau Systems products seamlessly integrate collaboration,
>information management, processes automation, and capture of
>mission-critical knowledge. To learn how Nouveau Systems products
>can help your organization drive innovation, visit:
>http://www.NouveauSystems.com (06)
Philip Gust
Nouveau Systems, Inc.
3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
Santa Clara, CA 95054 (07)
phone: +1 650 961-7992
fax: +1 520 843-7217 (08)
mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com (09)
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