Their legal dept claims they don't have any rights. I don't know if they would
put that in writing. V (01)
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
To: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
CC: Ken Harrenstien <klh@panix.com>; nls-legal@chm.cim3.net
<nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>; gust@acm.org <gust@acm.org>
Sent: Fri Apr 07 16:06:28 2006
Subject: Progress at NCI/Verizon? (02)
Vint, (03)
When you have a chance, could you ping the MCI/Verizon team to see if
they would be willing to work with us on this? (04)
Thanks, (05)
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:03:19 -0800
>To: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>,
>"'Philip Gust'" <gust@acm.org>
>From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
>Subject: Re: [nls-legal] [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re:
>vint cerf]
>Cc: "'Ken Harrenstien'" <klh@panix.com>, "'NLS Restoration Legal
>Discussion'" <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
>
>Vint,
>
>I'm just checking back to see if we can get an early indication
>about whether MCI/Verizon would be willing to provide a similar kind
>of letter to the ones from Boeing and BT.
>
>Best regards,
>
>At 11:41 AM 3/17/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
>>That is really good news
>>
>>
>>Vinton G Cerf
>>Chief Internet Evangelist
>>Google/Regus
>>Suite 384
>>13800 Coppermine Road
>>Herndon, VA 20171
>>
>>+1 703 234-1823
>>+1 703-234-5822 (f)
>>
>>vint@google.com
>>www.google.com
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@NouveauSystems.com]
>>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:09 PM
>>To: Vint Cerf; 'Philip Gust'
>>Cc: 'Ken Harrenstien'; 'NLS Restoration Legal Discussion'
>>Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
>>
>>Vint,
>>
>>Thanks again for your help. We just had some great news: Scott Griffin,
>>Boeing's CIO just had their VP for Intellectual Property issue a letter
>>along the lines we were looking for. We have also asked Kurt Carlson at SRI
>>for something similar and expect to get that fairly soon, too. Once we have
>>all of these in place, we'll be in a good legal position to justify
>>releasing NLS/Augment, hopefully in the time frame of SRI's 60th anniversary
>>in October. After working for over a year on legal issues, you can imagine
>>how great it feels to have things start coming together.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>At 10:19 AM 3/16/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
>> >Thanks for this rendition. Shared with MCI
>> >
>> >
>> >Vinton G Cerf
>> >Chief Internet Evangelist
>> >Google/Regus
>> >Suite 384
>> >13800 Coppermine Road
>> >Herndon, VA 20171
>> >
>> >+1 703 234-1823
>> >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
>> >
>> >vint@google.com
>> >www.google.com
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@acm.org]
>> >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:58 AM
>> >To: Vint Cerf
>> >Cc: Ken Harrenstien; NLS Restoration Legal Discussion
>> >Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
>> >
>> >Vint,
>> >
>> >Here's some background information. We've definitely traced the
>> >ownership of NLS/Augment from SRI through Tymshare/Tymnet to McDonnell
>> >Douglas. We have evidence that ownership transferred to British
>> >Telecommunications: two trademarks for Augment (73256814, and
>> >73647182) transferred to BT on 11/20/1989, prior to Boeing's
>> >acquisition of McDonnell Douglas. We also have evidence that BT
>> >transferred ownersihp to
>> >MCI: one of the trademarks (73256814) transferred from BT to MCI on
>> >7/25/1995.
>> >
>> >Based on this, BT issued the following statement:
>> >
>> >"BT believes that any intellectual property rights it held in the NLS /
>> >Augment technology passed with other assets to MCI in the 1990s.
>> >However, with respect to any such IPR's retained by BT then so far as
>> >BT is concerned, it has no issue with the Computer History Museum using
>> >the NLS / Augment copyrights in a not-for-profit capacity for the
>> >benefit of the general public. BT however makes no representation or
>> >warranty as to its actually retaining any such IPRs; the Computer
>> >History Museum's reliance on this letter; or the Computer History Museum's
>>use of NLS / Augment."
>> >
>> >
>> >Here is the statement we're discussing with Boeing:
>> >
>> >"Boeing believes that ownership of of NLS/Augment passed with other
>> >assets formerly from McDonnell Douglas to British Telecommunications
>> >PLC in late 1989, prior to Boeing's acquisition of McDonnell Douglas.
>> >As far as Boeing is concerned, we have no issue with the Computer
>> >History Museum using such NLS/Augment copyrights in a not-for-profit
>> >capacity for the benefit of the general public. Boeing makes no
>> >representation or warranty as to such use."
>> >
>> >Hopefully the MCI legal group will be able to provide a similar kind of
>> >statement based on the evidence we've accumulated and the action BT and
>> >expected action by Boeing. If you need any further information, please
>> >let me know.
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >
>> >At 06:59 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
>> > >I am working with the head of engineering/operations, Fred Briggs, at
>> > >Verizon to try to get their legal department to sign off on your use
>> > >of this software. I honestly doubt that MCI ever had rights to the
>> > >software in which case the lawyers may balk at appearing to grant
>> > >rights they never had - but they might be willing to say they have no
>> >objections.
>> > >
>> > >Vint
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Vinton G Cerf
>> > >Chief Internet Evangelist
>> > >Google/Regus
>> > >Suite 384
>> > >13800 Coppermine Road
>> > >Herndon, VA 20171
>> > >
>> > >+1 703 234-1823
>> > >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
>> > >
>> > >vint@google.com
>> > >www.google.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@acm.org]
>> > >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:09 AM
>> > >To: Vint Cerf; 'Ken Harrenstien'
>> > >Cc: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion
>> > >Subject: RE: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
>> > >
>> > >Vint,
>> > >
>> > >We have the software from Doug Engelbart. We'd like to make all of
>> > >the copyrighted Augment/NLS material available through CHM for
>> > >non-commercial use.
>> > >
>> > >We already have a letter in hand from BT. It says, that they have no
>> > >record of holding any intellectual property including copyright, but
>> > >that they have no objection for their part to CHM releasing any
>> > >copyrighted NLS/Augment material for non-commercial use. We're also
>> > >working with Scott Griffin, Boeing's CIO to get a similar letter. If
>> > >we have letters from all parties along the chain of ownership, the
>> > >CHM legal committee will be comfortable assuming the risk of
>> > >authorizing the
>> >release.
>> > >
>> > >Thanks for your help with this, Vint.
>> > >
>> > >At 03:57 AM 3/16/2006, Vint Cerf wrote:
>> > > >Phil,
>> > > >
>> > > >I asked Verizon to look into this and they claim (and MCI also)
>> > > >that they show no record of holding any intellectual property rights in
>>NLS.
>> > > >Do you actually have access to the software and just want
>> > > >assurances that you can use it or are you trying to get the
>> > > >software in addition to permission to use it?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Vinton G Cerf
>> > > >Chief Internet Evangelist
>> > > >Google/Regus
>> > > >Suite 384
>> > > >13800 Coppermine Road
>> > > >Herndon, VA 20171
>> > > >
>> > > >+1 703 234-1823
>> > > >+1 703-234-5822 (f)
>> > > >
>> > > >vint@google.com
>> > > >www.google.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >From: Ken Harrenstien [mailto:klh@panix.com]
>> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:06 AM
>> > > >To: vint@google.com
>> > > >Cc: gust@NouveauSystems.com; klh@panix.com
>> > > >Subject: [Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>: Re: vint cerf]
>> > > >
>> > > >No need for me to be in the middle except as a very interested
>>onlooker.
>> > > >Have at it.
>> > > >
>> > > >--Ken
>> > > >
>> > > >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:50:44 -0800
>> > > >To: Ken Harrenstien <klh@panix.com>
>> > > >From: Philip Gust <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
>> > > >Subject: Re: vint cerf
>> > > >Cc: NLS Restoration Legal Discussion <nls-legal@chm.cim3.net>
>> > > >
>> > > >Ken,
>> > > >
>> > > >I was hoping to make contact with Vint to discuss specific steps
>> > > >that he might do to help us navigate the waters at MCI/Verizon.
>> > > >Could you ask him whether he'd be open to my contacting him
>> > > >directly on this, and the best way to reach him?
>> > > >
>> > > >At 12:48 AM 1/26/2006, Ken Harrenstien wrote:
>> > > > >You each just pinged me about this. Trying both barrels, huh?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Phil Gust and I have been trying to find a contact in the
>> > > > > > legal department of MCI so that we can continue trying to
>> > > > > > obtain approval to use and/or transfer of rights for the CHM
>> > > > > > for the
>> > >software.
>> > > > > > However, we have not been able to get any contacts as yet.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Would you be willing to approach Vint and see if he could help
>> > > > > > out the CHM in this endeavor?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Certainly -- we chatted just a couple weeks ago. I'll forward
>> > > > >your notes, and add a little context. He's pretty busy as you
>> > > > >can imagine but I'm sure he will do what he can.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >--Ken
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Philip Gust
>> > > >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
>> > > >3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
>> > > >Santa Clara, CA 95054
>> > > >
>> > > >phone: +1 650 961-7992
>> > > >fax: +1 520 843-7217
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Philip Gust
>> > >(650) 961-7992 (daytime)
>> > >(650) 367-7763 (evening)
>> > >gust@acm.org
>> >
>> >
>> >Philip Gust
>> >(650) 961-7992 (daytime)
>> >(650) 367-7763 (evening)
>> >gust@acm.org
>>
>>
>>Philip Gust
>>Nouveau Systems, Inc.
>>3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
>>Santa Clara, CA 95054
>>
>>phone: +1 650 961-7992
>>fax: +1 520 843-7217
>>
>>mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Philip Gust
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