Stunning persistence Phil! (01)
Well done and thank you, (02)
Dag. (03)
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[mailto:scc_active-bounces@computerhistory.org] On Behalf Of Bernard
Peuto
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:36 AM
To: 'Philip Gust'; nls-legal@chm.cim3.net;
SCC_active@computerhistory.org
Subject: RE: [SCC_Active_Members] Boeing letter (04)
Phil and the team (05)
Great work. One small ... and slow step at a time!! (06)
Bernard (07)
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[mailto:scc_active-bounces@computerhistory.org] On Behalf Of Philip Gust
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:06 AM
To: nls-legal@chm.cim3.net; SCC_active@computerhistory.org
Subject: [SCC_Active_Members] Boeing letter (08)
I'm happy to let you know that CHM just received the letter we requested
from Boeing. Recall that originally Lew Platt had offered and asked
Scott
Griffin, their CIO to look into it. Eventually, the request ended up at
a
Boeing division is southern California and we hit a dead end after
several
months of discussions. I went back to Scott recently to ask for his
help
again, and he contacted Bob Nadalet, the Director of their Intellectual
Property Business, who readily agreed to provide the following
statement: (09)
"Boeing believes that ownership of NLS/Augment passed with other assets
formerly from McDonnell Douglas Corporation to British
Telecommunications
PLC in later 1989, prior to Boeing's acquisition of McDonnell Douglas (010)
"As far as Boeing is concerned, we have no issue with the Computer
History
Museum using such NLS/Augment copyrights in a not-for-profit capacity
for
the benefit of the general public. Boeing Makes no representation or
warranty as to such use." (011)
This is substantially the same statement we received from BT. I
recently
contacted Vint Cerf, former VP at MCI, to ask for his help with MCI to
get a
similar statement. Vint agreed, and has asked MCI/Verizon to consider
our
request. I have also contacted Curt Carlson at SRI on the same issue
and
hope to hear back from him soon. (012)
The biggest lesson learned is the importance of finding someone
well-placed
in the organization who is willing to go to bat for you, and then to
make
that person feel like part of the team through regular follow-ups and
updates on the project. If you don't know such a person or don't have a
significant overlapping interest (e.g.
membership in an organization you both care about), find someone in your
network who does know them and recruit that person too. The corollary
is
that if it looks like a brick wall, it probably is; go back to your
network
and ask for help again. (013)
Since you are all part of an extended group of CHM volunteers, please
use
the information about our progress for Museum purposes only. We want to
be
sure we have all our bases covered before going public. (014)
>Subject: RE: [nls-legal] Boeing: NLS/Augment!
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:23:02 -0800
>X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
>X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
>Thread-Topic: [nls-legal] Boeing: NLS/Augment!
>Thread-Index: AcZQVJ4WB4rUaGOGRPCnVhDz8mK5zwBau79QAADbsSA=
>From: "Marlen Cantrell" <cantrell@computerhistory.org>
>To: "John Toole" <toole@computerhistory.org>,
> "Philip Gust" <gust@NouveauSystems.com>
>
>Attached are the scanned letters received last week - from BT and
>Boeing.
>Marlen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Toole
>Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:00 AM
>To: Philip Gust
>Cc: Marlen Cantrell
>Subject: RE: [nls-legal] Boeing: NLS/Augment!
>
>Phil,
>
>
>Yes, it came in late last week. I'll have Marlen scan and send it to
>you.
>
>With the SCC scheduled on top of major events recently, I have to be
>host to our speakers so have not been able to attend.
>
>Thanks to you and the team!!
>
>--John
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@NouveauSystems.com]
>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:39 PM
>To: John Toole
>Subject: Fwd: [nls-legal] Boeing: NLS/Augment!
>
>John,
>
>I'm assuming that Rob Gullette is sending the letter to your attention
>at CHM. I wanted to follow up to remind you that it's on its way, and
>to ask you look for it and let me know when it arrives. It will be a
>pleasure to be able to check off this item as "COMPLETED" on my MS
>Project sheet for the project. I'll follow up with Vint Cerf and Curt
>Carlson next week to see where things are with them.
>
>
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> >From: Philip Gust <gust@nouveausystems.com>
> >Subject: [nls-legal] Boeing: NLS/Augment!
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> >Great news! As you can see from the email below, Scott Griffin has
> >delivered the goods. I just spoke with Rob Gullette, Boeing's VP of
> >Intellectual Property. He confirmed me that he's sent out a letter
> >to CHM with substantially the statement we asked for on NLS/Augment. (015)
> >I haven't seen a copy yet, but hopefully it will arrive sometime in
> >the next week.
> >
> >As you know, we're also likely to get a letter from MCI/Verizon,
> >thanks to Vint Cerf's help, and I've asked Curt Carlson at SRI for
> >one to cover us on any of the earlier material that didn't go to
> >Tymnet. With all the pieces in place, we'll finally be in a position (016)
> >to put the legal issues around NLS/Augment to bed.
> >
> >Our hope is to release the NLS/Augment material to tie in with SRI's
> >60th anniversary in October. This would be a great tie-in between
> >CHM and SRI. There are still many things to do technically and
> >logistically, including making a policy recommendation to the CHM
> >legal committee, but at least we're now pretty sure that the light at (017)
> >the end if the tunnel isn't a train.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> > >Subject: NLS/Augment
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:48:07 -0800
> > >X-MS-Has-Attach:
> > >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
> > >Thread-Topic: NLS/Augment
> > >Thread-Index: AcY+AqoSewTqvG29RJWSP2opRqTFmQDQYeVwAicKSJAAAIjBcA==
> > >From: "Griffin, Scott D" <scott.d.griffin@boeing.com>
> > >To: <nls-archive@chm.cim3.net>, "Philip Gust" <gust@acm.org>
> > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2006 16:48:07.0666 (UTC)
> > >FILETIME=[9159DD20:01C649E2]
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Scott
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Gullette, Robert L
> > >Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:34 AM
> > >To: Griffin, Scott D
> > >Subject: RE: NLS/Augment
> > >
> > >Scott: After some minor revisions, the letter has now gone out.
>Rob
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Griffin, Scott D
> > >Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:23 AM
> > >To: Philip Gust
> > >Cc: Gullette, Robert L; Jamieson, James M
> > >Subject: NLS/Augment
> > >
> > >Phillip, good to hear from you. My colleague Rob Gullette, our VP
> > >of Intellectual Property, has agreed to help. Please give him a
> > >call on
> > >(206) 655-5231.
> > >
> > >
> > >Scott
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Philip Gust [mailto:gust@NouveauSystems.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:54 AM
> > >To: Griffin, Scott D
> > >Subject:
> > >
> > >Hi, Scott,
> > >
> > >This is a follow-up on or earlier discussion of the NLS/Augment
>issue.
> > >
> > >We've definitely traced the ownership of NLS/Augment from SRI
> > >through Tymshare/Tymnet to McDonnell Douglas. We have indications
> > >that
>ownership
> > >transferred to British Telecommunications: two trademarks for
> > >Augment (73256814, and 73647182) transferred to BT on 11/20/1989,
> > >prior to Boeing's acquisition of McDonnell Douglas. We also have
> > >indications that BT transferred ownersihp to MCI: one of the
> > >trademarks
>(73256814)
> > >transferred from BT to MCI on 7/25/1995.
> > >
> > >We've taken stock of Boeing's earlier feedback, and are now trying
> > >to get a simple, non-binding statement from each of the companies
> > >for
>the
> > >CHM NLS/Augment restoration project records. BT has agreed to
> > >supply such a statement (see attached). With the help of Vint Cerf, (018)
> > >MCI's former CEO, we're working with Janis Manning, MCI/Verizon's
> > >Assistant General Counsel, Trademarks & Copyrights on a similar
statement.
> > >
> > >We were hoping to get a similar non-binding statement from Boeing.
> > >Kathy Gallagher had originally agreed to give us such a statement.
> > >However, her supervisor wasn't comfortable with issuing it from
> > >their office, since it isn't strictly speaking a legal issue, and
>recommended
> > >going back to you.
> > >
> > >The statement we'd like to have is exactly along same lines as the
>one
> > >from BT:
> > >
> > >"Boeing believes that ownership of of NLS/Augment passed with other (019)
> > >assets formerly from McDonnell Douglas to British
> > >Telecommunications
>PLC
> > >in late 1989, prior to Boeing's acquisition of McDonnell Douglas.
> > >As far as Boeing is concerned, we have no issue with the Computer
> > >History Museum using such NLS/Augment copyrights in a
> > >not-for-profit capacity for the benefit of the general public.
> > >Boeing makes no representation or warranty as to such use."
> > >
> > >Would you be able to write a letter that includes such a
> > >non-binding statement on behalf of Boeing, or refer us to someone
> > >within your
>circle
> > >at Boeing who could? I know that you are in touch with Jim
> > >McNerney, and it might even be helpful for you to approach him
> > >informally to
>see
> > >if he'd support doing that. If you do, feel free to share the
>attached
> > >letter from John Toole to BT with him as background. I know that
> > >Lew
>was
> > >eager to help us with this, and hope that you and perhaps Jim might
>be
> > >willing to carry the banner on this request.
> > >
> > >I really appreciate your help on this, however things turn out. If
>you
> > >do visit the SF Bay area, please let me know. I enjoyed talking
> > >with you earlier, and It would be great to get together in person.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Philip Gust
> > >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> > >
> > >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> > >fax: +1 520 843-7217
> > >
> > >
> > >mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> >
> >
> >Philip Gust
> >Nouveau Systems, Inc.
> >3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
> >Santa Clara, CA 95054
> >
> >phone: +1 650 961-7992
> >fax: +1 520 843-7217
> >
> >mailto: gust@NouveauSystems.com
> >
> >Nouveau Systems collaboration-enabled infrastructure and applications (020)
> >provide integrated information management, process automation and
> >knowledge capture. To learn how Nouveau Systems products can help
> >your knowledge-based organization drive innovation, visit:
> >http://www.NouveauSystems.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>Philip Gust
>Nouveau Systems, Inc.
>3120 De La Cruz Blvd., Suite 120
>Santa Clara, CA 95054
>
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> (021)
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